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Mars Ultor wrote:Salve Gnæus!
Mars Ultor wrote:Well these "Folkish" groups to my knowledge would not accept someone that is of mixed ancestry. This applies mostly most probably to individuals that are of mixed Germanic and NON-European ancestry more so than anyone that is of mixed Germanic and non-Germanic European ancestry. The question is whether they find someone to be ethnically integrateable, and in the case of a Germanic-Chinese mix as you have described I don't think they would.
I will ask a friend of mine about this question, so I might be back with an answer from someone that is involved in the "Folk" (as he calls it). Obviously there are Asatru groups that are Universal, but personally I do not consider them real Germanic Heathens, and neither would a serious GERMANIC Heathen in my opinion, these Universal groups might as well create a Black Odin or a Mongoloid Thor if you get my point. The same could be said of the Religio Romana, all Gods appear to me as European because they were created by European peoples, and if they were depicted as otherwise I would feel offended as a European with a deep admiration of all things Classical Roman.
Mars Ultor wrote:Regarding the European question, I very much agree, although I would not have any faith in the European Union, it is remote from the people, bureaucratic and anti-National or to use a better term anti-Folkish, moreover it is a strange blend of Leftist Political Ideals while serving mostly the Capitalist.
Mars Ultor wrote:The case of Austria is a glaring example where the National will of the people is suppressed by the ideological and bureaucratic will of the European Union which showed essentially an anti-Democratic entity attacking the popular will of a sovereign Nation. And for what? Simply because the Austrian Freedom Party works for an Austrian Austria and is against mass non-European immigration, which in my opinion is an absolute prerequisite for National Self-Determination, which I very much support for every Nation of this World.
Mars Ultor wrote:I'll admit it clearly from here that I support most Radical Right groups in Europe, though essentially I am not a Rightist in every term of the word (and not because I am left-handed, lol) because I am a somewhat Beyond Left and Right, Third Positionist type of person.
Mars Ultor wrote:Sorry, this was off-topic, but it was just so that you know my views since I am new.
Lucius Aurelius Flavus wrote:I actually viewed the Vlaams Blok website a while ago after a Dutch Social Democrat person called them Fascists, so I wanted to see in what way was this Political Organisation a Fascist one.
In general I saw nothing wrong from their FAQ, they seem to be a Separatist Ethnic Nationalist group. I would support such groups (even though I might have the wrong impression) because they attempt to decentralise power in big states giving more autonomy to the people and achieving greater Self-Determination for distinct Ethnicities.
I personally see nothing wrong in this as Self-Determination is a right that should belong to every group, being it ethnic or national. Now I admit that I do not know much about the Vlaams Blok, so my opinion is a generalised one, but I am interested in what way they are Fascists.
Lucius Aurelius Flavus wrote:And I also would like to know what do you intend by Fascist, to me it seems that you use it to associate the failures and historical defects of Fascism to modern Right-Wing Organisations in an attempt to incur a stigma on such Organisations. It is something done often by people on the Left and Politically Correct people to scandalise about and demonise a Political opponent. Generally I do not take such criticism seriously as I do not find it constructive to the modern Right, and if criticism is not constructive, it is worth nothing, obviously both sides have to make it constructive.
Lucius Aurelius Flavus wrote:Fascism is indeed a Right-Wing Ideology (although I have met people that would argue otherwise) but that does not mean that all the Radical Right-Wing Organisations in Europe or the World are Fascists.
But anyways, this is something related to Politics or Modern Politics and not to Philosophy, and since I hate going off-topic and posting in the wrong sections, I really do not know if to continue this discussion. After all you do not have a Collegium Politicum (unless I have naively missed it).
Gnæus Dionysius Draco wrote:
Rule number one of European fascist parties is that they will never admit to it. The idea of fascism abhorrs many European voters because nearly all of us had relatives who died in WW2.
Vlaams Blok's leadership has a very, very shady past. One of their frontmen, Philippe Dewinter, used to write for a Neo-Nazi newpaper (that wrote laudatory articles on Hermann Göring, the SS Wiking Division and had swastikas in it). He further said that human rights are "false rights" and that his ethnic discourse is worth more than human rights. Their former leader was nominated "leader for life" and was a WW2 collaborator with the Germans. Many people don't know this.
I don't think all right wing parties are fascist parties. For example, another party here in Belgium, the NV-A, also strives for Flemish independence and is very conservative, but they are a normal democratic party. I don't have anything in particular against the NV-A.
Regarding fascism and nazism, I really do know what I'm talking about and I'll never use the term lightly to stigmatise a conservative person. I study German and the issue of "das Dritte Reich" is a pervasive one through recent German history and literature. There are some differences between nazism and "pure" fascism but in essence they are both reactionairy, ultra-nationalist movements that have totalitarian, anti-democratic principles. They do not tolerate dissent, usually hate minorities and would like to deprive women from their rights.
The reason why such neo-fascist and neo-nazi parties are gaining ground across Europe is because their is a huge immigration problem all over Europe.
Left-wing and centrist parties have denied that there even was a problem for years. That, and the fact that these new fascist groupings have very clever, populist ways of undermining any serious political discussion, have lead to spectacular successes such as in Belgium or France.
When they do come to power, they usually suffer a massive defeat afterwards, crumble apart or become more mainstream right-wing.
Primus Aurelius Tergestus wrote:2. Here in the US we support Turkey's entry into the EU (that is, those of us who know what "Turkey" and "EU" mean do!) The simple reason is that since the time of Ataturk, Turkey has always oriented itself towards the West. We do not want it to become disappointed after repeated rebuffs from the EU and reconsider this alignment. Imagine an Islamist Turkey! Or worse an Islamic Revolutionary Turkey as in Iran. Turkey is a huge, powerful country that has been a faithful ally of the US and NATO since 1948. Let's keep it that way.
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