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Marcus Lupinius Paulus wrote:Salvete Omnes!
I apologise for being rather derelict in my duties. A curator is supposed to be a greeter, and I have not ventured into this area of the forum much lately. So please accept my elated 'Welcome' Marcella.
I'm aware there are several people who maintain membership in both groups. But have you ever noticed the water seems to flow in one direction? You will find people here who are NR expats, but how many people are there in NR who are ex-SVR members?
Marcus Lupinius Paulus
Valerius Claudius Iohanes wrote:Salve, Poplicole - Nice to see you still can find the time to drop in here. Vale bene.
Ursus wrote:I can't take the idea of micro-nations seriously. I live in a modern day country, and for better or for worse I have to practice my civic duties under its aegis. America is not perfect but I'll take over some fantasy world of arguments on internet lists.
I do not believe a resurrected Roman state is possible or even desirable. The Republic had serious problems facing the world of first century BCE, which is why it fell ... so how much more ill suited is it for the 21st century CE?
I believe separation of church and state is a cornerstone of civic freedom. There should be no state religions, even if it is a religion with which I greatly sympathize. I have known Christians, Jews and Agnostics who exemplify Romanatis, and the idea they should have to pay lip service to a religion they don't practice is insulting.
I think any organization for cultural polytheism has to look beyond the civic religions of antiquity and promote the familial based level of religion. I belong to a polytheist organization, but it is one that wants to bring classical paganism into the modern world, not shove the modern world back into classical paganism.
Important point. How can a micro-nation exist? Only as (a) an underground organization, hidden and subversive, or (b) as a 'second nation', which is to say a sodality or minority within the de facto state.
Can you expand a bit on your notion of "the familial based level of religion" - your focus is on the lares and penates and cult of family? I'd be interested to hear. In any event, thanks for bringing this up.
Valerius Claudius Iohanes wrote:Important point. How can a micro-nation exist? Only as (a) an underground organization, hidden and subversive, or (b) as a 'second nation', which is to say a sodality or minority within the de facto state.
Marcus Lupinius Paulus wrote:Remember that the Vatican is headquarters to a church of over a billion members, compared to how many tens of religio practioners? NR demanding a vatican sized "forum" is somewhat akin to a 1st day piano student demanding a venue similar to the Albert Hall to perform his finger exercises for his instructor.
As for Cassius...I still wish him well. But I do not pity him for what happened to him. He created this monster and it, like Dr. Frankenstein's creation, got out of control. Now the monster has bitten him in the arse... Oh well.
Cassius formally ended our friendship over something I said in a public venue: If one man dresses in a toga, takes a Roman name, and imagines himself a Roman magistrate, we call him a lunatic. If a group of people do this, we call them a micronation.
Formosus Viriustus wrote:Well, Nova Roma explicitly forswears any recurrence to non peaceful means in the pursuit of their goal of an independent and sovereign state. So, I can have little moral objections to that, but it makes them seem pretty inconsequential to say the least. Romans, of all people, who forswear any recurrence to force or violence in the pursuit of what they see as a just claim ? Come to that, shouldn't they rather forswear the use of the internet, any form of modern communication, transport and so on ? March on Rome in full armour and just 'take' the place ? Killing every living being, cats and dogs included, while they are at it ?
Seriously, there are quite a few members of SVR who are or have been member of NR too and although many reactions are rather negative, not all are and I can see the attraction of an organisation like NR for people who want to immerse themselves much more deeply into the Roman culture than I am willing to. No toga's or tunics for me, thank you.
I'm much more an SVR kind of person. An organisation like NR could have a lot to offer, not only to its members, but to the rest of society too, if it was run in the right spirit, but that doesn't seem to be the case very much.
And by that claim to an independent state with its own territory they don't do anybody a favour. Unless it would be their deliberate aim to set themselves up as an ostracised, alienated and persecuted minority.
And finally, unless I'm very much mistaken the vast majority of the members of NR are not Romans at all. They are not even Italians. I suspect some of them have not even been in or near Rome or Italy in their life. They just pretend to be Romans. If I was to call myself a New Han or a New Tang and gathered a handful of like minded people around me, would that make my claim to some actual territory in or near Loyang or Xi'an, any less ridiculous ?
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